pisslover: I’m not into trans women because I’m a lesbian
trans woman: actually there’s trans women lesbians out there and there’s cis women lesbians who love trans women but ok whatever
Stop trying to make lesbians have sex with males!!! What the hell just stop it and let them have sex with people they want to have sex with JFC what is wrong with yall
Look at this transmisogynist who hates women
Pikm00n’s comment here is actually hilariously appropriate and a perfect illustration of the problem.
This ridiculous, transmisogynistic lie that trans women are trying to force ourselves onto hateful women all started because trans lesbians decided to have a small panels at a conference about how to improve relations between the trans lesbian community and the cios lesbian community, and fight negative stereotypes, mistreatment, and exclusion of trans women in lesbian spaces. And a few transphobic women saw this, and made the cognitive leap from “these people don’t want to be treated as subhuman” to “the people are trying to force me to have sex with them!”
Which is the exact same leap you see right here in this very comment thread.
It doesn’t matter how many times we say “no one wants to have sex with you; we’re just asking you to stop trying to justify your socially-informed bigotry by claiming it’s just ‘natural’ and unquestionable to be sexually repulsed by a certain minority of women.” The very fact that pikm00n opted to word her response as “Stop trying to make lesbians have sex with males,” immediately proves that this isn’t about her personal preferences or about not liking a certain features of a woman, like disliking redheads or programmers. This is about bigotry, plain and simple, couched in something the community considers sacrosanct and unquestionable. Even though this specific conversation thread we were having was about not insulting trans women, the mysterious leap to ‘forcing’ lesbians to have sex with us was thrown out—trying to silence us by painting trans lesbians as rapists. They imagine the argument that trans women existing, and not wanting to be harassed and insulted, is somehow an assault on their sexuality—that just by existing we are trying to force them to have sex with us—the exact same defense straight cis men use to denigrate and assault trans women.
Well, let’s try one more time: This conversation—the whole conversation about the ‘cotton ceiling’—isn’t about forcing anyone to have sex with anyone else. It’s about bringing an end to people painting trans women as disgusting. It’s about teaching the cis lesbian community that we’re not men out to “trick” anyone into sleeping with us, or that we’re secret spies for the patriarchy, or that we’re a hallmark of the end of days. It’s about calling out bigotry, even if someone tries to hide it by claiming that it’s “perfectly natural.” It’s about ending the violence and sexual assault perpetrated against trans women by the members cis lesbian community who into that hateful propaganda, believing based on lies that we somehow deserve to be punished.
"all started because trans lesbians decided to have a small panels at a conference about how to improve relations between the trans lesbian community and the cios lesbian community, and fight negative stereotypes, mistreatment, and exclusion of trans women in lesbian spaces"
Dude, it was LITERALLY described as a panel to address the fact that lesbians would be friends with trans women but not see them as sexual partners.
The cotton ceiling was specifically stated by Drew DeVeaux (who coined the term) to refer to cis women’s panties, and Morgan Page reiterated that statement
So please, it’s a little late for this spin bullshit.
Once again, a beautiful example of the level of discourse we’re working with. What you can immediately take away from this non-response is:
For people interested in what the panel was LITERALLY about, here is LITERALLY the description from LITERALLY the organizer’s home page:
Nothing whatsoever about trans women getting unrestricted access to every cis lesbian’s bed. Nothing about coercion or trickery. It even talks about community more than it talks about sex. But somehow the thought of trans women wanting to identify themselves as desirable, and eliminate BS stereotypes in the queer community that label us as gross fringe elements is—in the minds of these people—tantamount to sexual assault.
This is why trans women are angry and upset. We’re treated as sexual predators and deviants for even existing, and when we speak out against it, that’s twisted and warped and lied about and presented as proof of everything we’re accused of.